Comments on: Reader Case Study: A Teacher, An Editor and Three Cats in Texas https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/ Financial independence and simple living Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:44:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.6 By: Frau Rosen https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-492954 Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:08:26 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-492954 In reply to Ann.

My husband had a 2005 Scion xB. He drove it until he was hit in 2011 and it was totaled. Thankfully, he was perfectly fine but we were so sad to lose that car. I was excited to see one listed here. He replaced it with a Kia Soul (which he’s still driving) but it’s not as fun!

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By: Shey https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-492093 Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:46:25 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-492093 In reply to Sarah.

Could also do a textbook company? I think they only hire former teachers because you are experts in your field.

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By: Shey https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-492084 Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:21:33 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-492084 In reply to Carol Wayne.

I have this issue, too. I found out that if you work in a place that pays into the teacher retirement AND social security for 5 years (in my area), then you can eliminate that Windfall act and collect the full amount (that you are entitled to) from both sources. So, after 18 years teaching, I now work for my county government which is one of those employers that contributes to both.

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By: Michele https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-490851 Thu, 22 Sep 2022 19:52:49 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-490851 I had to noodle on this great case study – and the adorable cats – for quite some time! Tara and Rob are obviously doing great, but there is a big exception… taxes. Getting the tax situation right is so critical to personal finance. I admire Tara for saying she doesn’t understand them and coming here for some feedback!

Work on educating yourself about how the taxes for each type of account work. It’s super boring (pre-bedtime reading?) but super important. You’re doing such a great job saving that I hate to see your hard-earned money eaten away by taxes. For example, you actually pay taxes twice on money that’s in a taxable brokerage account: first when you earn the money, and second when you take it out (although those are at lower capital gains rates, but that 15% could change over time). Even though you’re thinking of the brokerage account as being flexible and accessible, it’s not, really – imagine that the market is down 40%. Do you really want to withdraw from that account at that time? You could, sure, but it wouldn’t be a strategic move.

If the tax issue is just so boring you can’t stand it, another good way to think about which accounts to use and why comes down to two words: diversification and flexibility. By having money in diverse pots, all with different tax treatments, you give yourself flexibility to manage your cash flow and tax bill at various points in your life.

I found a technical but very helpful document from T. Rowe Price called “How to Make Your Retirement Account Withdrawals Work Best for You” that helps visualize the above notion: https://www.troweprice.com/personal-investing/resources/insights/how-to-get-more-out-your-retirement-account-withdrawals.html. Scroll to pages 3 and 4 and read the “before and after” example of “Retirees with Relatively Modest Income.” That’s probably pretty close to your situation. It helps to visualize why it’ll be good to have a variety of differently-taxed accounts – so that you can draw on them at different times during retirement.

Ultimately, I think you should redo which accounts you’re contributing to. It is likely that your best order of priority is the two Roth IRAs (open one for Tara), then your pre-tax 401k, and finally, the taxable brokerage account.

(Note: Before redoing all your monthly contributions, I would get really clear on what Rob’s estimated pension is and what your estimates are for Social Security. Those are important to have so that you feel secure in your strategy!).

I don’t have a taxable investment account so I have no experience with buying/selling funds within one, but the folks who have already commented with specific directions on how to better optimize that account seem spot-on. I don’t see why you’d keep funds with .33 expense ratios if you don’t have to.

Tara mentions being nervous about cash flow a few times. I totally hear this, and the way I’ve dealt with it is to have 1-2 months of expenses sitting in my checking account. I hate budgeting/tracking every dollar (sorry, Mrs. FW!), so it helps me to be okay with having automatic withdrawals into my retirement accounts.

Finally, does Tara really want to FIRE, or is it more about having flexibility to do something like freelancing? I ask because I work in communications, and there are several wonderful editors on my team. I love my field, and Tara said she does, too. So, why FIRE? Is it possible to shape your plans such that Tara still earns some income later on? I feel like having a job that you love is a gift and can help in so many ways.

Best of luck to both of you!

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By: Petra https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-488775 Sun, 11 Sep 2022 07:15:18 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-488775 Tara and Rob, I feel like you’ve already created a fantastic position for yourselves.

If you two would only earn enough to cover your current expenses, so that you could leave your savings and investments to grow over time, a rough estimate is that in 15 years or so you would have enough money to be FI. (By that time you’d have roughly $1 million from your current $380k in investments).

So to me that means (indeed) that Rob should start looking for a new job right now. Maybe he can go parttime in his teaching career as a first step. Maybe he should just move on and find a different job that brings him more joy. Rob should create an income of at least $1k posttax per month. That’s an incredibly low amount and very easy to get to for someone with his talents, diplomas and experiences; so he has a lot of freedom to find any type of job that brings in at least that much and that brings him joy or at least much less stress/anxiety.

It is very likely that Rob will bring in more than $1k/month over the next couple of years. That means that you two will probably reach FI status even sooner than 15 years from now. (And it can also mean that you two can start spending a bit more on fun/sastisfying/interesting stuff and activities).

So there is an abundance of options in your life. Please make new decisions from the comfortable position that you’ve reached by working hard so far.

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By: JackeRose Boston https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-487871 Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:14:57 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-487871 Retired teacher here. Also punished by working before teaching and then moving to California. It takes 30 years I think to be 100% invested. However, there are other cut-off points, maybe 15. Probably not worth the stress if only half way there. While I am getting a better payout on the amount invested in California retirement program than my TSA (401K for teachers, sort of ), I am really glad I made a point of setting aside money in a separate fund. I have a financial advisor that specializes in educators and used to be a banker, very good at forecasting. I recommend getting an advisor, make sure they are not vague about numbers and all the usual precautions. Also, while my fund earned from 2-10% and there were years that were low, I was always in a fund that never lost money,(set up that way). That was a comfort to me.
Thought on frugal: if uber saving for a goal within reach of attention span then not so hard, but if 20 years out, would require a slightly more relaxed approach.
Thought on what to spend money on: stuff is not as satisfying as events, experiences, and people. Don’t forget being in nature, healing and so so spendy as other things. And don’t forget charity/generosity. That improves money attitudes in my experience.
Alot of people are worried about the fast fashion of the clothing industry and the waste and harm to the planet. Frugality is of benefit to the future of everyone. This is where quality clothing wins, and thrift stores often have better old quality than available/affordable if new. Consider that the more stuff you collect, the more storage you need. George Carlin was pretty funny on that. The more stuff, the more time on upkeep, putting away, organizing. (I know about this!) well, I hope something was helpful.
My personal attitude is that I can do anything I want, just not everything. How do I want to use my time?

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By: Tara https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-487481 Tue, 06 Sep 2022 14:49:09 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-487481 In reply to Martha C.

Thank you for this, Martha! I really appreciate your sharing.

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By: Ann https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-487190 Mon, 05 Sep 2022 06:24:26 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-487190 i had a Scion XB and I still miss it. Hold onto your forever! Most fun to drive car of any I’ve ever had.

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By: Martha C https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-487131 Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:19:14 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-487131 I wanted to address the idea of anxiety about frugality. I totally get this! I can fall into what I call “frugalrexia” where frugality becomes a perfectionistic weight over my head. Where I second-guess all purchases and feel guilty when I spend money that I can totally afford to spend. I have trouble admitting that some things are actually NEEDS (for example, new underwear when the old stuff gets ratty). Or that it’s really ok to throw out that old gross sponge that’s been through the dishwasher 25 times and replace it with a new one. Or that it’s ok to want nice things and to purchase them if I have the money. A few months ago I wanted to buy a brand-new purse I saw at a resale shop. It cost $20 and still had $90 tags on it from a nice store. But then I told myself “it’s too much to spend when you could go to Goodwill and get a used one for $5.” I can totally afford $20 for a new purse and my old purse is so beat-up that it’s falling apart. For me this type of anxiety and decision paralysis is related to my anxiety disorder and OCD. It also feels a lot like an eating disorder I suffered from when I was younger. I’m learning to make better choices through therapy and medication has helped me too. I bought the $20 purse and I LOVE it! If this resonates with anybody, I hope you will seek therapy. Frugality is supposed to be a loving and kind choice, not a burden and a perfectionistic straight-jacket.

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By: Martha C https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-487126 Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:07:54 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-487126 In reply to Melissa.

Yes, this is my situation. It’s really frustrating.

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By: Reese https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-487086 Sun, 04 Sep 2022 19:49:12 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-487086 Hi, Tara!
The way I look at it is that you have enough in your brokerage account if you needed to access that money. There are two, actually three, advantages to the 401K. One is that you defer taxes if you choose pretax savings. If someone does enough (not you and your husband could give 20,500 each on 2022, that can bring your income down 41,000! If that pushes you from 22% to 12%, that is a huge savings. This can just be fine while you are over a six figure income. Growth can rarely make up for that 10%.
Second, you can sometimes put in Roth money and roll it over to your Roth IRA (individual) account. It had a 6,000 limit. As long as you account for taxes, you can roll it over and exceed that 6,000 limit. Many wealthy people who cannot have a Roth IRA do this. See if your plan has an after tax contribution. This can be rolled over while you’re still working if your company allows it. Look up back-door Roth.
Third, and you’re taking advantage of this, you get the Company match.

What you have to do to make up for when you may need more money from your paycheck, if you max out 20,500, is have your emergency fund accessible so that you can draw our 5-10,000 if needed. Then, replenish your emergency fund.

You’re doing great!

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By: Kristin https://frugalwoods.com/2022/09/01/reader-case-study-a-teacher-an-editor-and-three-cats-in-texas/#comment-486949 Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:41:26 +0000 https://frugalwoods.com/?p=33812#comment-486949 I think they may be served well with hiring a financial advisor on a fee basis for some education on their tax situation and assistance is setting up a structure they understand for both pre and post tax accounts. Knowing why they are investing and how the taxes work with each type of account and investment will give them some peace of mind. Find someone who isn’t working for a life insurance company or investment company who is incentivized to sell products. I believe you can Google certified financial advisors in your area and interview them to determine that they can assist with answering your questions and help without a heavy sales push. It’s ok to pay someone to help you set a structure up and understand how it works.

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