Comments on: Reader Case Study: Londoners Wonder About Buying A Property https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/ Financial independence and simple living Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:02:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.6 By: Libby https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-233908 Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:17:34 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-233908 What a wonderful update. Please send photos of your new babe!

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By: Cindy https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-199228 Sat, 01 Sep 2018 19:58:34 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-199228 I think your monthly rent is great! Keep on saving while you figure out what it is you truly want to buy for the long term. See as many homes as you can, in different areas. Test out the commutes(they always suck more time/energy than you think-especially when you never had one before). I think your spending is fine, especially if you are able to save over 50% of your income.
As an income property owner, we bought our first place which was a 1 bedroom condo loft in an urban area. This was our home for a few years, and we kept it as a rental ever since. It’s paying for itself and it is extremely easy to rent out because it’s small and in a great location. The maintenance has been pretty low on it as well, I think that’s due to it being a condo and not a single family home. Buying a small home in London now may give you the flexibility to convert it into a rental property later once you want to move outside the city. Wish you guys the best and I hope to see an update for this post someday!

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By: Tina https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-88832 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 09:59:12 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-88832 I think that you need to decide where you want to live before you can buy. If you commute every day but you only benefit from the countryside at weekends, I would suggest being close to work or a good train link in. Your rent isn’t bad but I presume that you’d pay less in mortgage costs for the same type of house.

Would it be worth moving to a smaller place until you buy (once your lease ends) as that should save money and you don’t *really* need a second bedroom as far as I can tell.

I definitely would put some of your savings into a Lifetime ISA so you get the government bonus when you buy/retire.

I would strongly suggest that you don’t pay off your student loans – if they were set up like US ones, it would be different but I think that the fact that you don’t pay them back when unemployed and that they can be written off makes up for the below inflationary interest.

I’d be wary of buying to let as you’d lose out on incentives for first time buyers and need a bigger deposit if you borrow at all – lots of lenders don’t do BTL for first time buyers.

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By: Simba @ compoundyourfreedom.com https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-88305 Sat, 27 Jan 2018 08:57:04 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-88305 This is an interesting case study as I live in London. My girlfriend and I also roughly earn the same as Betty and David. From my experience, living in London can be very expensive depending on things like eating out, travel and where you choose to live. By looking at their budget, I think the couple have a relatively high budget – about £1,312 each a month. I manage to get by on £800 a month and don’t feel like I am missing out. Here are some savings tips:
Rent – they could move to a cheaper 1 bedroom flat. I don’t see why a couple would need 2+1 bedrooms.
Vacations – £3,000 seems really high for a couple of trips a year. This can be reduced by researching more affordable options/ destinations.
Fun money & meals out – Seems high again. Can be improved by having a weekend or two a month where you do free things or spend little.
Car costs – I don’t know how handy the couple are but you can do the majority of car servicing yourself like oil changes, filters and brake replacement etc. Garages in London can be expensive (labour) and sometimes charge for unnecessary work.
Gym/ squash – I am sure there are alternative less costly ways to get fit. This depends on how you value this, but at nearly £100 a month I think this needs to be looked at.
Internet – The best thing to do is to find the cheapest deal (total cost for a year or 18 months) and pay up front. I manage to get broadband for under £10 a month average.
David cell phone – Buy a phone SIM free and it is possible to get a good SIM only call/data plan for less than £10 a month.

Regarding the buy or rent issue, I see no problem with renting if you have a good savings rate and invest wisely. Renting is not simply paying of someone else mortgage or throwing money away as a lot of people say; there are many costs involved which come with home ownership. Renting can also give you freedom to relocate to a lower cost area or for better pay. Commuting to London may be tricky due to trains strikes, delays and eye-watering costs.

Finally, I know that you are risk averse but I recommend investing savings in the stock market. I have been investing since 2010 and haven’t regretted it since. I currently hold low cost global index funds through Vanguard and Fidelity UK. I wouldn’t stand having any cash sitting in a 0.5% cash account. For an emergency fund I use a Tesco current account (3% interest on the first £3K and you can open 2 accounts each).

I hope this helps. Good luck!

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By: Joanna https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-84913 Thu, 04 Jan 2018 21:25:29 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-84913 My advice is to buy where you want to live, and ensure the maths compute to rent it out if you choose to somewhere down the line. Most BTL mortgages require 25% equity. Don’t buy somewhere you wouldn’t 100% live yourselves, so spend weekends exploring neighbourhoods near and far, sketchy and up and coming. As pointed out above, paying £1k/month mortgage for 3 years on a £250k mortgage gives you 24k in capital so use that number when considering the cost of renting v buying.

Lastly, don’t wait for the ‘perfect’ place. In my experience it was the place you want at a price from 3 years ago, and it’s not going to come down. Even in the last property slump good places held their value, they just failed to rise in line with previous expectations.

Good luck!

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By: Linda https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83869 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:28:58 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83869 In reply to Beth.

Just a small point but houses in the UK don’t require a new roof every 20 years. On the whole home maintenance is cheaper for the landlord in the UK ( I am one), and the current rent could actually be the mortgage payment.

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By: Laura Marconi-Cox https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83838 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:58:42 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83838 I’m in the UK and bought a house in Bradford recently. I nearly didn’t look at it because of the reputation of the next door area but when I checked out the area personally I found it to be quiet and clean. I love living there and do really recommend getting to know a supposedly sketchy area for yourself as other people’s opinions could lead you to miss out on something good.

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By: taka https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83833 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:57:48 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83833 In reply to Betty.

I think the bit you are looking for is the USS benefit illustrator. You need your USS member no and it is (unhelpfully) separate to the bit you’ve logged into! It is one of the links on this page: https://www.uss.co.uk/members/members-home/resources/modelling-and-illustration-tools. The bit you logged into would give you info if you decided to take “the match” or earn £55k+.

I decided to take “the match” ie add 1% of my salary (over and above the normal scheme 8%) to the investment builder part of the scheme despite being really risk adverse. I did this as this 1% of my salary is matched by the same amount from my employer so it would have to do REALLY badly to lose what I put into it. I looked at it as being about the same amount as my salary increment increase last year when it started so I didn’t miss it. There are a couple of ethical options too.

Personally I would ignore your student loan for the reasons already mentioned above by others.

As to whether to buy or not… It is a hard one! I made the decision to buy. I ended up buying a flat that needed a bit of work long term but was livable in (functional but ugly kitchen and horrible coloured bathroom suite) but as a result could afford more floor space than some of my friends who bought places needing no work. It has worked for me as now more than a decade down the line the work is done (saved up for over time!) and I still live there and size wise it still works. My friends have all moved to gain more space even if they’ve not had kids. Neighbours do have kids in the same size place as mine so I figured it was a flexible space. If I’d not bought a do-er upper (then saved to do the work) and just continued to save I couldn’t afford to buy my flat now even after the credit crunch. Uni salaries are not keeping up with inflation let alone house prices. I’d do your research based on what you need for the next 5 years but research options too for what you could do if your possible health issues do have an impact. It is hard to plan for much longer than that realistically anyway! Whether you decide to buy or not (and there is no right answer) you’ll be making an informed decision.

Good luck!

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By: Ms99to1percent https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83311 Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:47:48 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83311 In reply to Ms. Frugal Asian Finance.

Same here. It wasn’t FOMO for us. We wanted our own house, and it had to be a house where we could see ourselves living in for a long time. So whether the real estate market went up or down after, was irrelevant.
So we went with a suburban 4 bedroom in anticipation of kids. We have 1 kid now, and hope for 1 more. And we are glad we really bought then, because our house has more than double in value in value from $600k to $1.3M. If we hadn’t had bought then, we would have been priced out like so many of our friends.

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By: Beth https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83220 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:45:50 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83220 In reply to Kristine.

This is such wonderful advice!

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By: Carla https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83185 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 03:50:21 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83185 I love Mrs. Frugalwoods’ suggestion of a practice commute. It really has an out-size impact, and should be a major consideration for wherever you choose to live. It was our #1 criteria when looking for an apartment last year.

Secondly, as a fellow risk averse person, reminding myself that it doesn’t have to be all or nothing is helpful. If you are worried about the stock market dropping, just put a smaller portion of your savings there. You can add more when/if you feel more comfortable.

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By: Ale https://frugalwoods.com/2017/12/11/reader-case-study-londoners-wonder-about-buying-a-property/#comment-83160 Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:01:06 +0000 http://frugalwoods.com/?p=16006#comment-83160 In reply to Betty.

Oh I totally get that, I didn’t think you were being disrespectful at all 🙂 I was just trying to offer a different angle on “sketchiness”, but if you’ve lived in this type of area you know exactly what I’m talking about… We have personally decided to buy property in one of these areas because our priotity was affordability (we have a 5-year mortgage which for many people is unheard of!) But yeah, it’s not for everybody. Good luck with your search, I’ll watch out for future updates!

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